bill simmons hall of fame pyramid updated
Public Enemy Bon Jovi: 4/10 Posted by Steve Z on Thursday, 05/20/2021 @ 17:17pm, Add Deep Purple, Miles Davis, KISS, and Nina Simone to the acts that need serious promotion. This hierarchy is useful when discussing future Hall of Famers and trying to determine where they might fit in amongst rock royalty (should Nirvana be on Level 3? Steve Nash, 41. The Byrds "Nowhere To Go- Kanye West (as the basis of his song "About An Angel"), Beanie Sigel (as "Got Nowhere"), Freeway N.W.A *******Here's the REAL KICKER !! Donovan Art is fluid and stuff changes. #1 NBA community for blogging, voting in polls, taking quizzes, and public chats. The Stooges Any content deemed inappropriate or offensive may be edited and/or deleted. 73. You missed question #5 Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 23:27pm, 2020 Radiohead have been called the last important rock band by tons of people. Kraftwerk if they ever get in deserves at least a 4, comparable to the Velvet Underground for a band with little commercial success (in the USA anyway) that had major long term impacts on the course of future music trends. I still say they're the most overrated band ever, and should only be on level 2. Top Gun "Mighty Good Lovin"-Edwin Starr, Chris Clark. A couple others like AC/DC 185. However, I do disagree with you on Neil Young's ranking. That's Level 5. Please keep comments relevant to the topic. "Come On Do The Jerk" The Righteous Brothers [64], The T-Bones David Bowie should be moved up to the top of the fourth level. Bump him up. The hierarchy in the pyramid was primarily determined by artist rankings here and here. Favorite Hip-Hop inductee? I'd say level 4 is also impossible for anyone not in the hall currently as well. Songs originally recorded by THE MIRACLES later covered by other artists. Sam Cooke Posted by astrodog on Thursday, 10/31/2013 @ 23:38pm. Lionel Richie (Level 1) Michael Jackson The Book of Basketball was an achievement. -the Non-Performers? Tom Waits 9/10 = All Time Greats Kevin Johnson, 106. The Spinners -I've heard stories that James Brown was a ballbuster. 5) THE SUPREMES at # 97 Wilson Pickett: 9/10 1994 Willie Dixon on Sunday, 03/10/2013 @ 20:26pm, 1. I'm not going to wade into these waters. Steely Dan: 8/10 Aerosmith: 9/10 Didn't hit up any neighbors or anything. "The Tears of a Clown" La Toya Jackson, The Beat, The Rocking Chairs, The Re-Bops, Nnenna Freelon, The Flying Pickets, Caligula, Human Nature, Enuff Z'Nuff, Eumir Deodato, Brian Ray, Marc Cohn, Phil Collins. It started out as 12 and then multiples of 12 but you have had several yeas of new inductees since then. Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 08/3/2016 @ 19:16pm. T. Rex Earth, Wind & Fire: 8/10 The Flamingos Alex English. Lionel Richie (Level 1) ), Dolly Parton, Boyz II Men, Human Nature, among many others I suppose you could make a case for T. Rex, Depeche Mode, or Whitney Houston moving up a level, but keeping them in Level 1 is fine. 3/10 = Mediocre 2007 Monty Python's The Meaning of Life IMO obviously. Curtis Mayfield & The Impressions did it YEARS before John Lennon. 50. 11. ELO, Joan Baez, Yes, Tupac Shakur, Journey, Pearl Jam, Bon Jovi, Dire Straits, Sister Rosetta Thorpe, The Cars, Nina Simone, Moody Blues. Favorite induction year? You could even have 5 levels of 3 artist at each level) Sam Cooke: 10/10 "Ooo Baby Baby" Linda Ronstadt, Brenda Holloway, Shalamar, Ruby Turner, Sylvester, Spirit Traveler, Five Stairsteps, Zapp, Laura Nyro, Ella Fitzgerald, Honey Cone, Human Nature, Fingazz Gene Vincent: Influenced The Beatles, The Clash, Jeff Page and Jimmy Page (Led Zeppelin). The 2018 Class are probably all tier 2's, except for Radiohead, which is a three or possibly even a four. The Shirelles: 9/10 Cheap Trick Manu was damn good and didn't get the traditional accolades to back it up. I'm a musician myself, my band plays a mix of originals and 70s/80s/90s rock covers, and Radiohead's name never comes up between any of us. Rush: 2 Frankie Lymon & The Teenagers: 6/10 Do you have to consider them in any "best of all-time" discussions? Dezmond, I won't go into a full-blown rant about my distaste for Neil Young, but I'll leave you with this nugget: I can generally be objective about artists whose music I'm not overly fond of (Frank Sinatra, The Beatles, Miles Davis, Bob Dylan). "(You Can't Let the Boy Overpower) The Man In You" Chuck Jackson -I'll say Bobby Darin never had a drug problem (that I know of), branched out into different styles, even helped his fellow performers learn how to do their own taxes during the Caravan Of Stars tours. Parliament - Funkadelic (Level 3) Bill Withers Bill Simmons Hall of Fame Pyramid: Give Major Weakness of the top 10 NBA All Time. "Much Better Off" J Dilla. Devo (Level 1) 1 bestselling book from 2009. If youre curious about Simmons precise words, you can listen to the podcast episode for the ones that have exact dates. "I'll Try Something New" Diana Ross & the Supremes with the Temptations, Barbara McNair, A Taste of Honey, Spyder Turner (as an excerpt from his cover of "Stand By Me") 3. Journey -This is covered under "most civilized", don't you think? 12. Kiss: 7/10 He finished Top 10 in MVP voting 4 times. I still have no idea how Dirk managed to get that group to the Finals and then win the whole thing. 179. Please answer the best you can. The Four Seasons "Can You Love a Poor Boy" Bobby Vee, Softones, Gil Bernal, Ronnie Walker. Posted by Classic Rock on Thursday, 07/28/2016 @ 20:05pm, The Beatles 5 Only one problem: 10 years later, were in the middle of the player empowerment era and The Secret might not matter anymore. This pyramid, while not updated, has provided a lot of inspiration for my list that I'm currently writing: the Rock and Roll Hall of Famers ranked from best to worst. I think she brought so little to the table talent-wise, evolution-wise. Bill breaks it down with his former ESPN colleague J.A. Metallica Designated for marginal acts who are considered "Borderline Hall of Famers," either because of the Zombies Factor (great career, not long enough) or the Bon Jovi Factor (very good for a long time, rarely great). Is anyone ever going to move up fro level 4 to level 5? - This is going off the paperback version which includes everything up to the '09-'10 season. Lovin' Spoonful Posted by Andrew on Thursday, 10/31/2013 @ 17:40pm, We need a space at the top for the Based God. Michael Jackson: 10/10 161. The Moody Blues, when inducted, should sit on the 5th tier. Buddy Guy Little Richard Deep Purple (Level 2) Yes: 7/10 The comments in this section have also been helpful, and of course, my own personal opinions, tastes and whatnot. Recently Updated. Please if you are tired of poverty and you want to change your status or you are already weathy and you need protection of life,wealth,properties and family member please come and join the help iluminati now and get what you need. 2002 The Platters: 8/10 I assumed you meant the bottom, but I don't wanna put words in your mouth. Simon and Garfunkel 26. Elton John: 10/10 20. Since Deep Purple is ranked #69 on your Rock Rankings (with some acts above them yet to be inducted), yet are no more than a Level 1, can we take it that the Rankings (or Pyramid) are totally meaningless now? 1996 Paul Simon Roxy Music Posted by Shrek on Friday, 01/4/2019 @ 18:59pm. Michael Jackson, but considering his upbringing I can't really blame him for that. "Choosey Beggar" Chazz Dixon, Debby Boone. . Biggest botch as the going says, money is powerful in human beings life and money rules the world.I'm from a poor family in which I found it hard to feed my family It's high time that we recognize their limitations as exactly that and take them down off the arbitrary pedestal they were perverse placed on. Elton John Dennis Johnson, 61. KISS Carly Simon We should be honoring those whose innovations and/or reinventions were based on how the sounds of instruments or the methods in which they were played changed, such as Django Reinhardt's one-of-a-kind gypsy jazz guitar playing or Les Paul's experimentation with overdubbing and other studio techniques. Posted by williams on Monday, 10/21/2019 @ 09:31am, The 2020 inductees Solid list, I'd bump up Hakeem to in the top ten and I would have KG somewhere in the 15-20 range personally. He took a Magic team with no other All-Stars to the Finals while beating LeBron in LeBron's prime. REM and Tom Petty do, and they are two more acts Radiohead should not be ranked higher than. De Bravo, Little Willie G., Oran "Juice" Jones. Posted by The Dude on Friday, 01/11/2019 @ 18:40pm, Posted by The Dude on Friday, 01/11/2019 @ 18:43pm. Cream "Don't Let It End (Till You Let It Begin)-Betty Everett . I would definitely say Bruce Springsteen, Aretha Franklin, and David Bowie should, maybe with Pink Floyd and Neil Young right behind sometime in the near future. Outside of Biggie and Jay-Z, no one else really needs to be above Level 1. By the way, do you guys think I was right in picking The Zombies and Bon Jovi (both level 1) for "great short career" and "very good long career" or would other acts fit those terms better? "Influence" is not really a matter of opinion. I'd rather they be a 3, but a lot of those 3s are untouchable. Was it based on their diversity and creativity? 2002 I'd probably have The Moody Blues in Level 2 or 3, since they're name checked as the pioneers of art rock and prog rock. to "Did they influence a lot of acts afterwards?" -Civilized? "Lower-tier Bob Dylan"? Posted by John R.C. Tupac Bobby Womack: 7/10 These questions and more are broken down in our third Pyramid Podcast with Bills former Grantland colleague, ESPNs Zach Lowe. Elvis Costello and the Attractions 48. 78. Little Richard: 10/10 He's made 3 1st Team All-NBAs, but only made the playoffs twice (this year will be the 3rd). Inductee that should have been first-ballot (again, don't answer Rush*)? For new additions (NOT New Edition) to Level 5, I nominate Aerosmith, and either Aretha Franklin or Michael Jackson. 78. N.W.A -Philip They don't have a ton of bands imitating them other than Coldplay. Hank Ballard & The Midnighters: 8/10 or the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation. Rush (middle 4th) Loudest other then metal: THe Rolling Stones, The Kinks, The Who, The Stooges, Public Enemy, Dave Clark Five. whitney houston - 3 or 4 4. Finished season 1 of it, its not over. 166. Bob Marley, too. 2006 Over here in Britain May has been a wildlife activist and critic of fox-hunting Todd Rundgren-1, Posted by Corey Finn on Tuesday, 05/18/2021 @ 15:57pm. Gene Pitney: 5/10 Queen: 10/10 Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five And yeah the Dead should have been a star on top of this pyramid, gazing down. Michael Jackson: 10/10 The Ventures Jason Voigt, Posted by Corey Finn on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 08:15am. 178. The Byrds: 10/10 Percy Sledge: Influenced Al Green and the Allman Brothers Band. 205. 109. 165. "Much Better Off" J Dilla. Dire Straits: 6/10 ZZ Top Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 16:32pm, Level 1: I would also move a few artists around like replacing Madonna with some other female singer like Liz Phair or Norah Jones, moving Elton John down a rank and putting Billy Joel there, moving Sam Cooke up a bit as well as Big Joe Turner and Fats Domino. The (Small) Faces How Far Can This Version of James Harden Take the Sixers? From 2016: Bosh deserves to be included. 1. (Believe me, people I've talked to actually think that!) 12. Zach, most of your comments make sense to me. The Who: 10/10 -Loudest? 143. Well, if you honestly believe that the king of weepy singer-songwriters James Taylor (who has no business in any HOF other than the consignment store record bin HOF) did more to develop rock 'n roll (not rock music, that's a needless abbreviation) than The Ventures (with the exception of Booker T and the MG's, the most significant instrumental rock 'n roll band of the 1960s), then I have nothing to say (as Oliver Hardy would have said). Carly Simon: 6/10, Posted by Jordan Einstein on Friday, 05/13/2022 @ 05:01am. 4 has a few ringers.. SRV & Double Trouble: 7/10 Most weird inductee? I quit listening to the "Classic Rock" stuff back in my senior year of high school. Powered by SMF | The Clash Not sure if I spelled his last name right. 36. In my honest opinion, Rush should also be placed a lot higher, at least, preferably in the middle of the 4th tier, slightly lower than Pink Floyd and slightly below, soon to be inducted, Yes. 13. Jack Twyman, 107. If that was your point, it wasn't well made previously; but was overall well stated in this latest response. "Love Machine" Wham!, Thelma Houston 2020 Patti Smith: 9/10 Bon Jovi (while not a critical favorite, the band is still selling well into the new 10's) For anyone else that wants to create a pyramid for this year's nominations here is a format for everyone to follow in order to create some structure follow this format. Their experimentation? Animal House Chicago: Level 2 155. "I Gotta Dance to Keep From Crying" The Who, Jimmy James. Simmons believes that Nolan Ryan was a Tier 4 Baseball HoFer, while acknowledging that several people wouldn't put Nolan Ryan in the Hall at all. Their accolades are eerily similar, but I like Wade a little more. 2. ELO - 1 Bill Haley & The Comets: 9/10 Yes- 4 42. Bill breaks it all down with The Ringers Joe House. This was a hard one to boil down to just one pick, but I decided on The Eagles as the unworthiest act in the hall. Seriously. They were the FIRST Motown group. ha-ha. Billy Joel: 9/10 Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 10.31.13 @ 11:28am Fats Domino comes off as a classy and humble man in every interview and film I've seen of him. 125. Just being a major influence on Bob Dylan alone, and really almost the entirety of folk-rock should at the very least put her midway up, probably higher, imho. Jimi Hendrix Experience: 10/10 And when is Poco going to move up. (This is an incomplete list, as songs by the Miracles continue to be covered by more artists each year) 5/10 = Average/Borderline Both won MVP. It needs to have ELO, Joan Baez, Yes, Tupac Shakur, Journey, Pearl Jam, Bon Jovi, Dire Straits, Sister Rosetta Thorpe, The Cars, Nina Simone and Moody Blues. 34. Donna Summer- 4, Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 01/27/2018 @ 05:22am. LEVEL 4 ? "Can You Love a Poor Boy" Bobby Vee, Softones, Gil Bernal, Ronnie Walker. Run-D.M.C. T. Rex (Level 2) Eminem (Level 4) Off the top of my head, I think it was something like MJ, LBJ, Russell, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Wilt, Duncan, Kobe, West, Oscar, Hakeem, Shaq, Moses, KD. 2001 https://www.ranker.com/list/rolling-stone-100-greatest-artists-of-all-time/music-lover Foo Fighters: 8/10 Great concept! Rating Numbers: The (Young) Rascals: 5/10 187. 110. 2. 101. Join us for a Stathead virtual panel to kick off the 2022-23 NBA Season on October 12 at 7pm ET. "Swept For You Baby" The Sylvers, The Blenders, The Tamlins (as Sweat For You Baby). You love him. on Thursday, 03/7/2013 @ 23:05pm, I don't where to post this ever since that "Current Hall of Famers" doesn't have a comments, so I have to post it here or in the "The Immortals" page. Since then, he has mentioned in episodes of his podcast numerous changes that he has made to this list. Thought of doing something interesting. Little Anthony: Influenced Donna Summer. Gene Pitney Everyone else- Level 1, Posted by dank on Friday, 12/18/2015 @ 18:47pm, My guess at where the inductees will end up on this pyramid: But every 15 that are added should mean one more to Level 5, two more to 4, and so on. Neil Young: 10/10 I'd push the Velvet Underground to 3. Otis Redding Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers: 9/10 140. You like what you like. Jerry Lee Lewis "Give Me Just Another Day" Young Jeezy (as the basis for his song, "Mr 17.5"), Schoolboy Q, Wade Waters, Christina Milian, Rick Ross, Marco Polo feat. I can't in good conscience not include Manu in the Pyramid. 35. Paul Simon: 8/10 [1] They also have the distinction of having more songs inducted into the Grammy Hall of Fame than any other Motown group." Booker T. and the M.G.s Not many changes to make. And to all of the rest of you, whether you are Miracles fans or NOT: It's pathetic. Fleetwood Mac: 8/10 "The Love I Saw In You Was Just a Mirage" The Jackson 5, Vance Gilbert, The Uniques Whatever his legacy, he'll be remembered for taking that road. As a link between boogie-woogie, jump blues, and rhythm & blues, he is a highly important name and should not be ranked lower than less relevant names like Buffalo Springfield, The (Young) Rascals, Jackson Browne, The Righteous Brothers, and Gene Pitney. Level Four: Brendan Fraser (we can't really have him above anyone else here) Albert King Pearl Jam - 3 (there could be an argument as to why they should be a 4, but they are at least a 3), Posted by Nick on Monday, 07/31/2017 @ 11:48am, Where do you think 2018s nominees would belong on the pyramid? Jimi Hendrix. Lenny Wilkens, 81. 6. Big Joe Turner For example, in the Aug. 16, 2018 episode, Simmons told Curry his latest ranking of #16-#27 and had Curry at #24. Brenda Lee: 6/10 Chicago - I made it an actual pyramid so each level contains fewer players than the previous level. Nina Simone (Level 2) Posted by Jordan Einstein on Tuesday, 05/10/2022 @ 03:39am. It's a smaller body of work. So really By 2030, most people will agree he's the best basketball player ever as the memories of MJ fade even more. Register for this free event . Radiohead: 10/10 Lou Reed you like simmons a lot. 10/10 = Immortals, Legends & Icons I just don't have a problem with it. Musical understanding cannot be static. The Grateful Dead: 9/10 Guns N' Roses a) metal is actually such a huge genre and scene, easily the largest and most enduring underground music scene. I would also put Blue Cheer, Steppenwolf, Mountain, and Iron Butterfly on the pyramid too. All the Indiana Jones films Jerry West, 9. Good point, Bill G. Let's also remember Percy Mayfield's 1950 blues classic Please Send Me Someone to Love, with its plea for tolerance and unity among the peoples of the world. 191. Posted by Jack on Thursday, 12/18/2014 @ 15:01pm. If we are using Bill Simmons' basketball pyramid as a model, it's like saying nobody performed top-notch basketball after Wilt Chamberlain was on the scene. To learn more or opt-out, read our Cookie Policy. King I'm really not surprised you could do that. If youre trying to make a case for him being dumb, then KD over those guys is not the way to do it. The Miracles, Motown's first group, are the most covered Motown group of ALL TIME. Your favorite inductees (You can pick at least 7) Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 01/1/2019 @ 14:24pm, How about a pyramid for the Early Influence category, with Wanda Jackson and Freddie King as a 1 because they never should have been inducted in that category? Queen and Black Sabbath, by far. And before anyone criticizes my choices by comparison to the current inductees and where they're at on the pyramid, I don't agree with quite a few choices and placements, and would make this pyramid pretty differently. 1994 Crosby, Stills & Nash (Level 2) Level 2 "Mickey's Monkey" Mother's Finest, Martha and the Vandellas, The Supremes, The Hollies, The Young Rascals, John Mellencamp, Lou Christie, Cannibal & the Headhunters, The C.A.Quintet, The Defenders, Chris Catena, The Sugar Beats, The Mac Truque. Ramones: 10/10 The Jackson 5 Were they just dominant at times? Kate Bush (Level 1) Prince, The Beatles, James Brown, Public Enemy, Marvin Gaye, The Temptations, The Rolling Stones, Beastie Boys, Louis Jordan, Michael Jackson, Little Richard, Sly & the Family Stone, Frank Zappa, Stevie Wonder, Parliament-Funkadelic, Joni Mitchell, Bob Dylan, Buddy Holly, The Miracles, The Beach Boys, The Jimi Hendrix Experience, Booker T. & the MGs, Otis Redding, Sam Cooke, Carole King, Run-DMC, Chuck Berry, David Bowie, The Drifters, Fats Domino, Miles Davis, The Velvet Underground and Nirvana. Here is Simmons' explanation of the idea (revised for Rock and Roll): So why couldn't we transform it into a five-level pyramid -- seriously, an actual pyramid, like a replica of the Luxor casino in Las Vegas -- where elected [artists] are assigned to different levels? 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